Posts by Sea Breeze

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C.T. Russell, Occultist

by metatron in

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one aspect of the watchtower's history that has never been.

adequately explained is russell's fascination with the occult.. the end of the 19th century saw the prominence of many occult.

were obsessed with egyptian symbols and magick based on the.

Jehovah’s Witnesses have several doctrines in common with those
received directly from the demons by Johannes Greber, as itemized in his book “Communication with the Spirit World of God” (CSW). Johannes Greber did not like any of the existing translations of the Bible and stated “…I have used the [new bible text] text as it was given to me by those spirits” (The New Testament by Johannes Greber p. 15).

Watchtower sources are shown as well Communication with the Spirit World below:

Jesus Christ is Not God. (CSW p. 330; J.W. “The Word—Who is He? p. 40).
Jehovah only is God—the Father (CSW p. 302, 331, 328, 333); J.W.—”Jehovah” p. 8)
Jesus Christ is a created being. (CSW p. 301; J.W.—”Aid to Bible Understanding” p. 918).
Michael is a god. (Dictionary of Angels); J.W.—” Aid to Bible Understanding” p. 152).
Christ’s body was not resurrected. (CSW p. 385; J.W.—”Things in which It is Impossible For God to Lie” p. 355).
Body of Jesus was dematerialized. (CSW p. 385; J.W.—”Time Is At Hand” p. 129).
There is no Eternal Hell. (CSW 379; J.W.—”Is This Life All There Is?” p. 96).
The Higher Powers of Romans 13 are not earthly governments. (CSW p. 414, 415;J.W.—”The Watchtower” 1/15/46 p. 27).
The Christian Church is not preaching the Gospel. (CSW p. 426; J.W.—”Finished Mystery” p. 485 ). (Points 1-9 from Questions for Jehovah’s Witnesses Who Love the Truth by William Cetnar).

We have to ask—why do Jehovah’s Witnesses have so many doctrines in common with the doctrines of these demonic spirits? Why also did Russell expend so much time and energy railing against the demons, while at the same time using their doctrines? Modern Jehovah’s Witnesses may not realize that demonic manifestations among Watchtower members were quite common during this time. We quote “Zion’s Watch Tower “ of October 1st, 1907, “Our understanding is that this great day of the Lord began chronologically in October 1874, and from what we can learn it is since that date that ‘materializations’ have become more and more common…the evidence is too strong to be disputed that there have been numerous genuine manifestations….”

Why have the Jehovah’s Witnesses deliberately covered over these false dates and also deliberately altered their bible, and then claimed it is accurate, when all evidence is to the contrary? Why also have members overlooked the obvious errors so many times? It can only be that they are under a spirit of deception...

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Doctrines and Bible Interpretations

by IWant2Know in

i would like to know if ex's and formers who are not church christians, believe that many of jws' doctrines and bible interpretations are correct, or do you feel that they aren't?

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Sea Breeze

Watchtower is run by madmen who believe they are in charge of every man, woman and child on earth and that only by reading and studying their literature can you be made perfect. Jesus simply said that you must be born again.

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Ken and Barbie

by peacefulpete in

forgive the insensitivity of this but does the wt imagine the "resurrected" bodies of the dead will have useless genitalia?

or will the humans 2.0 have the smooth appearance of a ken doll or the nipple-less breasts of a barbie.

any breasts at all?

Sea Breeze

@NotFormer,

I think that you have it right as to what the WT teaches regarding the Millenial Reign of Christ. They use the term New System instead so that they can paint a picture with Jehovah ruling instead of Christ. I would disagree about its vaguenesss though, it all seemed pretty clear to me when I was growing up in it.

In their alternate story people are resurrected to earth here and are eventually perfected by studying Watchtower literature. Only church leaders (144K) are supernaturally changed and are declared righteous (Justified). In their deluded view, the rest of JW's and manking must perfect themselves through diligent study and willpower.

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Ken and Barbie

by peacefulpete in

forgive the insensitivity of this but does the wt imagine the "resurrected" bodies of the dead will have useless genitalia?

or will the humans 2.0 have the smooth appearance of a ken doll or the nipple-less breasts of a barbie.

any breasts at all?

Sea Breeze

I was under the impression that those who survive the big A will be spending the Millennium preparing the earth for the resurrection of pretty well everyone who died in Armageddon.

@NotFormer - The WT gave us a lot of impressions. Were you aware that no where in the bible does it teach that people will be resurrected on earth? There is only the resurrection of life and the resurrection of damnation. This corresponds to the resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteous.

The 2nd chance salvation that Russell taught is a heresy and is not Christian.

While the idea of a second chance for salvation is appealing, the Bible is clear that death is the end of all chances. Hebrews 9:27 tells us that we die, and then later face judgment. So, as long as a person is alive, he has a second, third, fourth, fifth, etc. chance to accept Christ and be saved. Once a person dies, there are no more chances.

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Attention: Active Jehovah's Witness Parents

by Sea Breeze in

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this young jw lady was shunned by her parents since she was 18 or 19 years old.

she was befriended by the older man that you see in the picture.

perhaps you recognize him?

Sea Breeze

These are Sarah Kellen's JW parents. They look like carbon copies of my parents. In an interview, they said:

They said they knew nothing about Kellen's work with Epstein because they became estranged from her around the time she took the job, aged 18 or 19

‘She is our prodigal daughter, it doesn’t mean we don’t love her.’

‘I think Sarah was susceptible to that because of her age and her personality. She was estranged from her family, she didn’t know what to do or where to turn.’

Thomas and Mary say they would gladly welcome their daughter back into the fold tomorrow but she would need to re-enter their church and demonstrate a genuine commitment to their faith.

Q. Why didn't Jesus require people join his church before he showed love to them?

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Attention: Active Jehovah's Witness Parents

by Sea Breeze in

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this young jw lady was shunned by her parents since she was 18 or 19 years old.

she was befriended by the older man that you see in the picture.

perhaps you recognize him?

Sea Breeze

Well said, but won’t change 1 person

I don't know. I'd like to think it would. Most JW's are just going along with what the elders (GB in reality) tell them to do. With a little bit of thought, it is easy to see what drives JW kids off the deep end. I think parents can eventually be reached.

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Attention: Active Jehovah's Witness Parents

by Sea Breeze in

jw
friends

this young jw lady was shunned by her parents since she was 18 or 19 years old.

she was befriended by the older man that you see in the picture.

perhaps you recognize him?

Sea Breeze

This young JW lady was shunned by her parents since she was 18 or 19 years old. She was befriended by the older man that you see in the picture. Perhaps you recognize him? They did a lot of things together while her parents shunned her. After more than 25 years, they still do.

In case you are wondering what is wrong with your teenager; JW kids act out in harmful ways because:

1. They see the WT history of false prophecies and unlike you, cannot live a lie.

2. They experience the robotic, automoton nature that many JW's are known for and crave basic human affection and love which is missing in many JW families.

3. Some kids are naturally imagnitive, impressionable and suffer psychologically from all the blood, gore and armageddon images that you forced them to digest in their early years and just want a break from all the panic & negativity.

4. They want to stop feeling guilty for participating in basic social activities that YOU shamed and prevented them from doing, which made them freaks among their peers and objects of derision. All your made up rules which ARE NOT IN THE BIBLE, only convinced them of your insanity and manipulation, which you unknowingly or not seek to pass on. Your kids want and need YOU, not your impossible unbiblical rules.

Please wake up. We know that you love your children. Do not let a group of jackass mad-men rob your children of one of the greatest assets that they have - you, their parents.

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Governing body

by moley in

are the governing body really in charge or are they just a figurehead with the real power being behind the curtain .

Sea Breeze

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January 2024 Study Watchtower is totally flooded.........

by BoogerMan in

.....with the name "jehovah.

in all my years, i've never seen such overkill in any jw publication.

is the org worried about something?.

Sea Breeze

Excellent points. Also...

The word "organization" never appears in the Bible, yet appears 16,789 times on the 2006 Watchtower Library CD.

Even if Jehovah had an organization, we are never told to go to it. Instead Jesus said over and over to come to Him. Weird, how we never caught that point until we left:

Mat_19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

Mat_19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Mar_1:17 And Jesus said unto them, Come ye after me, and I will make you to become fishers of men.

Mar_10:14 But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

Mar_10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

Luk_1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

Luk_9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

Luk_14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Luk_18:16 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

Joh_5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Joh_6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out

Joh_6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Joh_21:22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.

Why doesn't the WT want people to come to Jesus for salvation? Why do they tell people to go to Jehovah's organization instead?

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Did Governing Body write Jan. 2024 Watchtower for themselves? Are they afraid?

by was a new boy in

fear !.

since they won't mention the name they're referencing, i will.. .

willem a. vangemeren (born 7 april 1943) is professor emeritus of old testament and semitic languages at trinity evangelical divinity school.

Sea Breeze

Since they won't mention the name they're referencing, I will. - Willem A. VanGemeren - Professor Emeritus of Old Testament and Semitic Languages at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School.

Oh wow, first they start blathering about tithing and now they are quoting the daughters of the whore of Babylon herself!